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Classical, Mixed and Non-classical homeopathy
Started by: MAX VARMA at October 8 2006

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Classical, Mixed and Non-classical homeopathy By: MAX VARMA
New Delhi and Vancouver
  
October 8 2006
I am reproducing some extracts of conversation going on at ABC Homeopathy

For Jacob Scott:

Dear Jacob,

1.Does any one have a meter to take a reading that will show pallative action and curative action???

2. Has any one done a research study on which brand of homeopathy has given better results amongst patients ??

3. Has some one taken a representative sample of the population of patients.... as per statistical standards ....and shown the results that a particular method of homeopathic application is more success ful ?

4. Do you have statistics of the sale of combination meds viz. a viz. single meds...from leading manufacturers like Schwabe, Bioron, Reckweg etc
....which ...in absence of a statistical patient survey will work as an indicator?

If the answer is NO ...then all your claims of classical homeopathy being the most effective (REAL....in your words) form of homeoapthy are without any basis and do not hold any water.

Pl. be informed.

Before making such claims...get the statistical work done. May be.... the results of such a survey will be an eye opener for you as well as many classical homeopaths.

Sazim ...this is food for thought for you also.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma

Re: which is more effective ?? From PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-07
For information of those not conversant with "Statistics".

The subject "Statistics" is a branch of Mathematics...where in "Population" of Survey and "Representative Sample" of a Survey ....have specific definations.


This is the reply of Jacob Scott:

Dear Mr Varma,

"1.Does any one have a meter to take a reading that will show pallative action and curative action???"
The answer is, of course, no.

"2. Has any one done a research study on which brand of homeopathy has given better results amongst patients ??"
Not that I am aware of, and I have never brought this subject up?

"3. Has some one taken a representative sample of the population of patients.... as per statistical standards ....and shown the results that a particular method of homeopathic application is more success ful ?"
Actually yes, Hahnemann himself. He was the first to observe the detrimental effects of mode of practice by what he termed 'the mongrel sect', and every other classical Homoeopath with any degree of observational skills has observed the same over the last 200 years. I think this should be enough for anyone...

4. Do you have statistics of the sale of combination meds viz. a viz. single meds...from leading manufacturers like Schwabe, Bioron, Reckweg etc
....which ...in absence of a statistical patient survey will work as an indicator?
I do not, but I could probably get such information re:Dolisos and Nelsons, as I have regular telephone communication with the ex MD of both companies. I am not sure how such information would be of any relevance though, as this would simply show what was being bought from commercial suppliers, taking into account that people will buy whatever is advertised for such and such a condition, either in store, or on a website. Most Homoeopaths who have real life practices though, myself included, do not even use such commercial suppliers, we order privately from specialist pharmacies, so again, this would not really indicate anything.

"If the answer is NO"
Er...which one exactly?

"...then all your claims of classical homeopathy being the most effective (REAL....in your words) form of homeoapthy are without any basis and do not hold any water."
They are not claims though, they are experience, 200 years of experience.

"Pl. be informed.
Before making such claims...get the statistical work done. May be.... the results of such a survey will be an eye opener for you as well as many classical homeopaths."
Um, see above, and unless there has been some kind of radical shift in the laws of nature in the last 200 years, I doubt there would be much for us to 'open our eyes' about. Moreover though, and not wishing to appear rude, maybe if YOU actually did some research, principally into the experiences of the founding fathers of Homoeopathy, not to mention the basic principles of the entire subject, there would simply be no argument...


Reply of Pankaj Varma to Jacob Scott on above.:

Dear Jacob,
The world believes in statistical data and its analysis to "confirm" or "deny" a hypothesis.

You are your self confirming that nothing of the kind has been done in the field of homeopathy.

Until then ...all will remain as "hypothesis" and cannot be termed as "Law".....even though some people might call it "Laws of Homeopathy"...they are truly "Hypothesis of Homeopathy".

To give it the status of a Law.....a sufficiently large "population" of patients will have to be recorded....a "representative sample" of the same will have to be taken (the two have a co-relation under the subject of statistics). The result analysed and then if it confirms the hypothesis...it can be called a Law.

Furthermore, it wold be required that the Survey is done in different geographical zones....to make it a honest survey and its findings.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma

There is only one religion....called mankind.
There is only one law....the law of Karma
There is only one God....He is everywhere and with everyone and knows everything.

Re: Classical, Mixed and Non-classical homeopathy By: dr dutta
  
October 8 2006
In homeopathy also there are fundamentalists.
Fundamentalists want to take the world to medival times they belive that was the Golden Age.

Patient must be cured, patient must afford the treatment mentally and physically, patient must have faith in the treatment.
Or approach would fail.

Re: Classical, Mixed and Non-classical homeopathy By: MAX VARMA
New Delhi and Vancouver
  
October 14 2006
Definitions from Science:

Idea HYPOTHESIS

A hypothesis is an educated guess, based on observation. Usually, a hypothesis can be supported or refuted through experimentation or more observation. A hypothesis can be disproven, but not proven to be true.


LAW

A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them.

Source: "About Chemistry"

There is only one religion....called mankind.
There is only one law....the law of Karma
There is only one God....He is everywhere and with everyone and knows everything.

Re: Classical, Mixed and Non-classical homeopathy By: dr dutta
  
October 14 2006
No One system is perfect, no one book is perfect.

One must use the discreation and experience. Relieving patient's pain is the paramount and immidiate consideration.

Man is mortal, symptoms would change always but we must take care of immidiate symptoms to bring relief to patient, or patient would lose faith on the prescriber.

Re: Classical, Mixed and Non-classical homeopathy By: Joe De Livera
Sri Lanka
  
October 15 2006
To Pankaj

I am copying a post I made addressed to you on the ABC which I feel would be of interest to your thread. I do not have the link as I have copied it from my email folder.

To Pankaj

Throughout the past 25 years of my conversion to Homeopathy which I refused to accept originally as it seemed to me to be so very illogical at that time, I have often wondered what the reason was for this conflict raging within the ranks of the Homeopathic fraternity between the Classical and Non Classical streams.

I do not have sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the relative merits of either stream but when I evaluate fairly the cures that both streams have succeeded in effecting, it seems to me from my own observations, that the Non classical approach which is practiced by the large majority of practicing Homeopaths in the Indian Subcontinent seems to be the winner. It is only too obvious that those who see over 25 patients on a daily basis could not possibly use the classical system complete with the inevitable case taking procedure which usually ends up with the patient being prescribed a constitutional remedy which invariably leads to the poor suffering patient's ailment from going from bad to worse. This is perhaps the ploy that is used by the classical types to ensure that the patient is compelled to visit the classical homeopath on a weekly basis and of course certain financial considerations also come into the equation. And classical homeopaths do not come cheap.

The direct allopathic method that I, in common with the large majority of homeopaths use, is usually almost immediate in its effect on the patient. Reference to the many posts of grateful patients on the ABC who have benefitted, will testify to the efficacy of my therapy. As you are aware I have not made any financial gains out of my practice, as to me Homeopathy is only a Hobby to which I am dedicated and hopefully will be for the rest of my life, at age 77 for as long as I am able.

I believe that it is my originality which I have observed throughout my life, and this does not only include Homeopathy, that has helped me in my own brand of treatment which has been derisively termed "Joepathy" but this term seem to have stuck as is evident from members using it to qualify my direct approach to Homeopathy which has resulted in some cures which even I often wonder at. It is just the fact that I am convinced that the good God has blessed me with the gift of discovery that I refuse to be sidetracked by those who wish to pontificate on their own classical concept of homeopathy which does not seem to ever get off the ground due to the constraints of the classical system that is ingrained in the majority of those who are qualified who are brainwashed into accepting that there is no salvation except through the classical approach.

I believe that it is just the fact that I have not suffered by qualifying, which in any case I could not do as I was primarily interested in my business undertakings, that prompted me to use existing Homeopathic remedies for ailments which were never used before like Arnica for Diabetes and Eczema and Nat Phos for GERD to name just two for which patients have spent millions to achieve what to me seems a simple cure. I am aware that many classical types have warned the patients who were cured of impending doom as a result of my therapy and I have often emphasized in my posts that up to date there never has been any fulfillment of their prophesies.

I believe that it is just this form of narrow mindedness and also more important, the distortion of facts pertaining to cures that result in the use of the non classical therapy that I promote, that puzzles the patient and also makes him wonder which system he should use. Fortunately for him, there exist a few Homeoapthic forums like the ABC, the new Homeopathy and More and the NCH which the patient can access and post his ailment in the hope of a cure free of any cost. The others like the Otherhealth and Hpathy are the exclusive hunting ground of the classical homeopaths who like to live in their own dreamworld with their theories and remedies which usually do not help the patient as can be seen by visiting them.

It is the obvious pretense that they promote that I abhor and it is my hope that they too will open their classical eyes and at least consider the relative merits of the non classical therapy that I use which has resulted in almost all cases of a successful resolution of the ailment which in many cases has also lead to a cure.

Joe De Livera

Re: Classical, Mixed and Non-classical homeopathy By: MAX VARMA
New Delhi and Vancouver
  
October 15 2006
Dear Joe,

At the age of 77 years...so much compassion to help others....is a matter of great admiration.

Much before this age...many people retire to a life of resignation.

Your compassion is remarkable.

And as Dr Datta is saying..........bringing relief to the patient is of utmost importance.....no matter which pathy one uses....even if it is "Joepathy".

Best regards,
Pankaj Varma

There is only one religion....called mankind.
There is only one law....the law of Karma
There is only one God....He is everywhere and with everyone and knows everything.

Re: Classical, Mixed and Non-classical homeopathy By: MAX VARMA
New Delhi and Vancouver
  
October 15 2006
Don't worry Joe !!

All these people "yelling" and "screaming" at ABC.....are candidates for High BP.......and one day they will come back and use "Joepathy" to stabilise their High BP.

So the last laugh will always be yours !!

Pankaj Varma

There is only one religion....called mankind.
There is only one law....the law of Karma
There is only one God....He is everywhere and with everyone and knows everything.

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