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WILD ROSE - Bach Flower Remedy
Started by: Jayashree at September 27 2006
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WILD ROSE - Bach Flower Remedy
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By:
Jayashree
Calcutta, India
 
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September 27 2006
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WILD ROSE
There is a deep sense of HOPELESSNESS. This individual lives in a fixed state of “negative personality.” A deep misunderstanding develops during the first days of life or from earlier existences and initiative is abandoned. There is resignation in regard to inner and outer life. The soul feels deserted and abandoned, as though hungry and there is no one there to attend to its needs.
The person is half dead. As in chronic illness or a “stuck” marriage, the person is beyond depression, but instead there is resigned acceptance. These individuals can be boring and tiresome. This remedy can also be used when processing EARLY CHILDHOOD, in psychotherapy. Wild Rose belongs to the group, LACK OF INTEREST IN PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
One sees a lack of energy as well as a “flat affect”; it can be used in MENTAL ILLNESS, such as SCHIZOPHRENIC STATES, DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDERS, PSYCHOSIS, and SCHIZOID PERSONALITY where passivity is the major emotional presentation. There is a disinterest in fighting for health and a withdrawal from reality to protect the emotional life.
There is no joy in wishes or dreams. The personality becomes chronically entrenched in TERMINAL ILLNESS or DISABILITY
Jayashree Kanoi
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Re: WILD ROSE - Bach Flower Remedy
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By:
Thill
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September 27 2006
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Thillai
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How to make a bach flower remedy
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By:
girilal
New Jersey USA
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September 28 2006
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All you need flowers, rain/mineral/river/spring water and a transparent glass pot.
1 Soak the flowers in the glass pot.
2 Place the place the pot in the sunlight for whole day.
3 At evening remove the flowers and water is your remedy.
4 Remedy can be diluted infinite times but make sure to shake the dilution vigorously otherwise it is not a homeopathy grade medicine.
To preserve the remedy you can put some Ethyl-alcohol/whisky/grain-alcohol.
Rock Water is the water from any mountain river or rather homeopathy grade Silicea.
Or soad some granite rocks in water in sunlight for a day, that is your remedy.
girilal
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girilal
New Jersey USA
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September 28 2006
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Thill, there was no need to delete the picture, more than one is really good. Your's was different too.
girilal
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Re: WILD ROSE - Bach Flower Remedy
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Thill
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September 29 2006
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Thank you girilal. I already have deleted the image. I am not sure the existing one was initially there. I noticed that on next day, it was beautiful and I deleted mine.
Thillai
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dr.auntie
KY USA
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August 7 2008
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I invite you to view my wild rose video at YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGr706Vo-xM
Fleeting beauty captured to share.
**That the Creator intends for us to be well is evidenced by the myriad of healing ways inspired in the minds, hands and hearts of His/Her creations.**
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garcot
Bangalore
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March 7 2010
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These are high resolution pictures. You can zoom them using imagezoom addon in Firefox browser.
Rosa Canina
The Wild Rose state isn't one of despair or depression. In these conditions there is still an awareness that, while one's life is miserable, that there was a time when it wasn't, and there is, however deeply buried, the hope that it will again be so.
In the Wild Rose condition hope itself is barely a memory. It is a state of complete resignation to one's fate.
Sometimes this is a temporary condition. It can occur following a period of intense personal growth or concentrated creative activity. It is a common state at certain phases of therapy or counseling, usually those stages when people become aware how deep-rooted the belief and behavior patterns they follow are.
As a chronic condition, it is often caused by a child being habitually neglected, especially during the months of infancy. When one's needs aren't met at this time the self-protective response is often to abandon need and sink into a vegetative state.
The Wild Rose state is expressed in such key phrases as:
"Why should I change my job? One will be just as bad as another."
"I can't do anything about my bad health; it's hereditary."
Whether temporary or chronic, the condition is generally characterized by boredom and a state of low energy.
This condition is insidious, for the more someone believes that his life is hopeless the more he shuts himself off from seeing any possibility for hope. The world is viewed through a filter which reinforces a state of resignation.
An individual in this condition needs a jump start, and the Wild Rose Essence provides it. People who need it may need to prepared to take it on a long-term basis, at least for longer than for other Essences, because the person who needs it has created many insulating layers against reasons for optimism.
Often, the changes are gradual, almost imperceptible at first. The person feels herself awakening, as after a deep sleep. At first the limbs are stiff, the mind fuzzy, but in time a sense of vitality returns, and a feeling of anticipation, as life again becomes worth living.
Ref: http://www.rainbowcrystal.com/bach/bfr/wildrose.html
"wisdom in your body is deeper than your deepest philosophy"(Nietszche)
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garcot
Bangalore
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March 7 2010
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Wild Rose Yellow and Rose
These are high resolution pictures. You can zoom them using imagezoom addon in Firefox browser.
A rose is a perennial flower shrub or vine of the genus Rosa, within the family Rosaceae, that contains over 100 species and comes in a variety of colours. But what Dr.Bach used specifically was Rosa Canina ( also known as dog rose)
"wisdom in your body is deeper than your deepest philosophy"(Nietszche)
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shen10
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March 7 2010
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I was in touch with and purchased many books from a Dr. Krishnamurthy many years ago, and then again last year. He is known for his unorthodox ways of using Bach flower remedies. He's come up with his own combinations, and wild rose is in several of them. For example, he recommends taking wild rose and sweet chestnut 2 doses/day, twice a week for obtaining wealth. It didn't work for me, but who knows? Even though I personally never benefited from any of his prescriptions, I do think that Dr. K is a good teacher. My husband calls him a "coook", and he's been maligned by a lot of other homeopaths also, but I heard that he has a very busy practice in Bangalore. So, there's room for all possibilities and for all of us!
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HomeoEnthusiast
-India-
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March 7 2010
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shen10,
Bach Flower remedies will help you if your mental states match with the negative state of the remedies. Otherwise, you may not stand to gain.
Negative Wild Rose, Sweet Chestnut are truly hopeless states in that - Wild Rose is one of utter resignation to his/her condition - that things will never improve - that the other option(s) will be equally bad or worse than the present option, what is the use ... therefore such people might not make any effort to improve. It is a very difficult mental state both to diagnose and to come out of.
Negative Sweet Chestnut state Oh my God is a difficult state. To cite an example, it is similar to someone who has lost everything (all his luggage, money, phone, documents, keys) while on a trip and no one around to turn to for help. He is truly at the end of the line. This remedy corresponds to a state of deepest anguish having tried everything and failed. he can imagine only destruction and annihilation waiting for him - nothing better. The Gorse state is also one of hopelessness - but he can be encouraged to try something else and he will come out of that state - but not the Sweet Chestnut - it is more of an ABJECT DESPAIR state.
Only if you are in similar mental states, you will stand to benefit from these remedies. If you read Dr K's notes further, he mentions that those who are of a particular remedy type or have that mental state will stand to benefit greatly by taking that remedy - but everyone is not of the particular remedy type or mental state - therefore, such people can see what the person of this remedy type does in the positive mental state and imitate that. Then they too will succeed.
Owing to the exorbitantly high fees charged, very few people actually approach Dr K for treatment - I have visited his house at Chennai several times - but never found even one patient. I myself benefitted greatly from his Homeo and BFR treatment - but I had to stop as I could no longer afford his fees.
-rams
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shen10
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March 7 2010
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Hi Rams,
I first studied Bach flower remedies in my early twenties, decades ago, so I'm aware that the mental state has to match. In fact, that is the sole basis of diagnosis in this method. I'm very fond of this system and I've had good results here and there.
Only Dr. K, to my knowledge, has come up with the kind of concoctions he did with the Bach flowers, and the purposes for which he recommends. them. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that; may be it works, like if did for you.
He is indeed very expensive, and he charged me even more because I live in the US. I've never met him, but had others purchase books and medicines from him for me. From his writings, he certainly seems to have a good understanding of homeopathy, but his remedy suggestions did not work for me or my son.
Still, I like to always learn something new, and I think it's interesting to read about his methods. He came up with a set of remedies that he calls New Bach Flower remedies, and the uses for these remedies ranges from acquiring wealth to repelling mosquitoes, as well as physical ailments. I remember reading about a remedy that even brings the power back when the power goes out. I purchased some of his new bach remedies, but they didn't work well for me. May be I'll try them again, it's been a while.
Even though he took a lot of money from me, and my husband makes fun of him, I'm grateful to Dr. K because early in my homeopathic studies, he recommended good books and gave me some of his articles.
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HomeoEnthusiast
-India-
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March 8 2010
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shen10,
Nice to hear of your knowledge of BFR which you acquired decades ago. I do hope you will share more of it in helping patients out on this forum.
Dr K's approach SEEMS very different on the surface - as you go deeper, you realize what he is talking about. As you know, the Indian dealings are all very subtle - they may not tell you what the exact feeling is - it has to be inferred from their speech, expressions, mannerisms. This is unlike in the West, where people are more likely to tell you that they are depressed or low on confidence etc. As you are aware, in India, a majority will never accept their condition (mental / emotional state) to be so.. This is what warrants an alternate approach. So the mental states have to be inferred from the words, expressions etc. (Dr K's writings are more extensive in Tamil language than in English - when I approached him for his Notes on BFR in English he himself told me it would be better to buy his Tamil notes on BFR.....) He has merely adapted the flowers to the Indian scenario - he understands the Indian psyche extremely well - I am told his brilliance is better understood / appreciated if one reads his notes in Tamil language. His strength lies in translating the expressions, mannerisms, words spoken by the patient to the corresponding remedies. He is a keen observer.
As for his New BFR, I do not believe in them - because, I have seen the SAME case history at two different places in his notes (the names, places, time, incidents are all IDENTICAL) with merely the name of the flower changed to that of the New BFR - so it is not very convincing.
I was given expert homeopathic treatment along with a few BFR which seemed to really help me. I was under the impression (which I gathered from his writings) that he prescribes only to walk-in patients. He says he does not like treating patients online or over phone etc. He also seems to be very averse to computers. He sure has an eye out for money, as your husband says. He is a man of few words too.
His knowledge of homeopathy is extraordinary. I am sure you would have greatly benefitted if you took treatment from him through personal consultation rather than over email or phone.
did you happen to do his homeopathy course btw?
-rams
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shen10
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March 8 2010
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Hi Rams,
Funny you should ask. Last year, after my phone conversation with him, I did sign up for his homeo course, paid a handsome amount of money for it, and received only one mailing of some papers which contain the same information as in one of his pamphlets. I emailed him, and in response, he sent me the posting you just put under the chikungunya. I stopped my communication with him after that.
As for my and my son's treatment, to be fair, he did tell me that he prefers to see patients in person, but he also said that he was pretty sure he could help us. I'm surprised to hear you say that he's a man of few words because he talked a lot with me, and you're right, his knowledge of homeopathy is extraordinary, and he's a good teacher. I do not know tamil, so I'm sure that is a big loss in understanding his approach. He does speak English quite well. No doubt, he might have been able to better help us if we went in person.
Yes, of course, it is true that Indians are generally not forthcoming about their problems, and you have to read between the lines. The younger generation of Indians, however, especially the girls, are more open.
My uncle (who speaks Tamil very well) went to pick up some things from Dr. K for me last year, and he told me that he found Dr. K to be short tempered and agitated and told me to tell Dr. K that he should take some of his own medicines, but I never relayed that message!
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shen10
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March 8 2010
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By the way, "Nice to hear of your knowledge of BFR which you acquired decades ago" sounds like I was bragging. I was not! Besides giving away my age, all I was saying was that I'm comfortable with BFR because of my long association with them.
I will start a new thread about a couple of my experiences with BFR.
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HomeoEnthusiast
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March 8 2010
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shen10,
its really unfortunate that he just gave you a few pamphlets / papers in the name of a homeopathy course... the case of English BFR notes is also similar - just a few (6) cyclostyled handouts. The Tamil BFR is more comprehensive - has 18 "volumes".
Whenever I went to meet Dr K he had this frown / scowl on his face, and would give only one word answers to my queries - as if fearing that I might learn something from him for free - or as if he might end up sharing some knowledge to me, for which otherwise he could charge me a hefty fee ! I have never seen him smile.
Reg your other post, no bragging intended!! - its more of my selfishness to learn more abt BFR!
You would certainly be having a lot of insight from the remedies from your long association with them - therefore, i just wanted to get you to share your knowledge with us!!! On this forum, everyone is free to share their knowledge of alt med - bfr, homeo, yoga and other healing methodologies and alternate approaches to healing.
Regards,
-rams
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shen10
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March 8 2010
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Rams,
Do you have the 18 volumes in Tamil? That is what I was promised in English, but, as I said, that's not what I got. If his notes are available online, even in tamil, we can find a way to translate them. I wonder if he'd give the tamil ones to me, at least, but I doubt if they're online.
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HomeoEnthusiast
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March 8 2010
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shen10,
i do not have the 18 volumes in Tamil - though I intend to purchase it sooner or later. will keep you posted if i can lay my hands on this.
I purchased the english version since I am more comfortable with English - but I felt that Dr K was hesitant to sell this and was trying to get me to buy his Tamil notes as it is more comprehensive (it is also slightly cheaper). i am yet to come across this material in tamil online.
people who have used his Tamil notes inform me that it is really too good and they can very easily relate to the descriptions / scenarios / identify the same in others easily. they are able to help others with their life problems.
the advantage of having his notes is that he has explained how to practise this system in the Indian context - of how the emotional states are to be inferred - with very good examples. (Some great truths await you, if you can go beyond the mosquito repellent or power cut buster part of it - that is!!!)
-rams
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shen10
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March 8 2010
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Hi Rams,
Please do let me know if you get a hold of the 18 volumes. Does the English version you purchased contain the same information as in the 18 volumes?
I'm sure you're right about discovering some hidden truths in his writings. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with restoring power just by your popping a couple of pills into your mouth. You can try it the next time power goes out in Chennai. I wish he had a remedy that would promote weight loss without having to watch your diet or exercise!
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shen10,
As far as my understanding goes, the English version (6 booklets) is not a literal translation of his Tamil notes (18 books / booklets). It may at best be a condensation.
Whenever I read Dr K's notes, I seem to get some insights or certain things become more clear to me.
The essence of his teaching, according to me, is "Change your mind, Change your Life" - if you see things in this perspective, you will be able to appreciate better what he has written in his notes. What do we try to achieve with BFR? we try to clear the negative outlook / emotional states of the patient -essentially we change the mind. When that happens, the patient will feel a lot of positive changes in his life - this is precisely what Dr K is talking about. He is trying to apply this to every life situation and hence solve life problems. And he considers BFR to be the easiest method to achieve this.
For example, the mental states in disease hold the key for curing the disease - similarly, he has extended it to any life situation!
In some places, after he describes the "non conventional" uses of a flower, he explicitly mentions that this is not to be taken literally and people who are in a negative state of that BFR owing to a particular life situation only can solve that problem by taking that remedy. The method is best understood from his cases. So we cannot say his methods are all crazy or against Dr Bach's principles.
We must remember he is writing at a period where astrology, and its associated parihaarams are at their peak - and so many people are fooled by these parihaarologists who perform some homam, puja etc and charge heavily for the same. So a simple, cost-effective solution to life problems is certainly the need of the hour. It is in this perspective that Dr K's application of BFR is truly genius.
This is entirely my understanding of things.
-rams
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