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Chronic Tic Disorder
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Jay 15
 
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January 27 2007
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Hey everyone. My 7 year old son has been diagnosed with Chronic Tic Disorder. He has coughed non stop for three months, clears his throat with the same frequency, rolls his eyes and rolls his shoulder. Does anyone have any experience in treating this disorder or knows of anyone who does. Does this need to be treated constitutionally or is there a specific remedy indicated for this?
PLEASE, any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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Dr Hasmukh Shah
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January 29 2007
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Try a test dose of Arsenicum Iodatum-30 if you see any benefit in two days, repeat the dose at alternate days.
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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Jay 15
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January 29 2007
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Thank you for the reply. Can you please expain your recomendation to me in terms of why this remedy was offered and possibly an experience you may of had with this. Please note, I am not doubting you, but rather wanting to gain information before administering anything.
Thank you,
Jay
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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Dr Hasmukh Shah
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January 30 2007
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In ars-iodatum eyes symptoms are prominent along with respiratory symptoms. This is a combination of Iodium and arsenum
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
udaya kumar
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January 30 2007
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It must be chronic AUTO Tic disorder. The parts effected are certainly the motor nervous system and the muscles. Lack of muscular coordination is one important factor. I would suggest a very simple and great medicine which normally children take i.e Gelsemium. The book says" the centre of its action upon the nervous systeM, dizziness, drowsiness, dullness and trembling -(which may be one reason prompting the child to rotate his head). Slow pulse tired feeling, mental apathy. Paralysis of various groups of muscles about the eyes, throat, chest, larynx, sphinster, extremities, etc(this can cause discoordination). Muscular weakness, complete relaxation and prostration. Lack of muscuar coordination, influenza, Nervous affections of cigar-makers(cough may be continuous here).
Mind : Desire to be quiet, left alone, dullness, langour, listless, apathy regarding his illness, absolute lack of fear, emotion excitement, fear etc. aggravates, stage freight, grasps nurse and screams as if afraid of falling.
Head vertigo ( may be one cause for head rolling when complemented by lack of muscular co-ordination...........Wants to have head raised on pillow.
Eyes : Important symptoms : Disturbed muscular apparatus. double vision. Blurring and discomfort in the eyes. ( The child may be rotating the eyes to find a spot through which it can see things apart from other discomforts in the eyes.) Pupils dilated and insensible to light. Orbital neuralgia with contraction and twitching of the muscles(one single reason why the child could be rotating the eyes). Bruised pain back of the orbits. One pupil dilated other contracted. ...........Hysterical ambliopia.
Throat : Difficult swallowing, Itching and tickling in soft palate and naso pharynx ( this could have triggered the non stop cough). Pain in sterno cleido-mastoid, back of parotid.....feeling of lump in throat that cannot be swallowed(another reason for rolling of head). Aphonia.
(The maximum symptoms of this medicine circles around eyes and throat. This is also a very good medicine for influenza, brain fever,and other problems where inflammation of the brain are involved. One question therefore would be whether the child had suffered any influenza, viral effecting the brain/muscles/nervous system etc which may not have been properly treated out. If the dis-ease had its origin recently. Or was he so by birth? Jay may like to clarify this.)
back : pain in muscles of the back
extremities : Loss of power of muscular control (This would include neck)....excessive trembling and weakness of all limbs. Hysteric convulsions.
(I have not treated anyone before, but with this amount of symptom picture agreeing, I have reason to believe that the cure would absolute. I have certainly read case hystories of children with Chorea and other similar kind of locomotive involuntary movements being treated out by Gelsemium. How much potency etc. is something we need to decide. Since it is a little old case. I would suggest to start with Gelsemium 200 (5 globules) in a day for three days and see the benefits. With best wishes and pray for childs complete recovery.)
PS: what is in brackets are my assessment. Rest is from the books.
Medicines should be used in consultation with a homeopathic doctor.
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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Jay 15
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January 31 2007
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The eye rolling comes and goes. Right now he is clearing his throat/grunting and rolling his shoulders/head. I am certain he does not have a problem with his eyes in terms of focusing or any other problems. This is just another tic within his whole Touretts type issue. Here is a couple of videos of my son at "work", please watch these to see if they either bring about more questions or bring about some answers. Thanks.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v642/Chunko15/?action=view¤t=ryan222.flv
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v642/Chunko15/?action=view¤t=Ryeclip_0001.flv
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
Jay 15
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February 2 2007
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Does anyone have any thoughts after watching short video clips?
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
udaya kumar
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February 2 2007
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any incidence of streptococcus or staphilococcus infection? How long has been the incidence? rgds.
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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Jay 15
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February 2 2007
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No incidences of streptococcus or staphilococcus infection at all. This problem began at approx age 4. He started pulling at his socks back of pant leg because his socks bothered him. He did this for a year. Something triggers a new tic that he develops. He only recently started rolling his head late in the fall once he started wearing a winter hat. He said the back of his hair and the hat rubbing against his coat bugged him. Now he cant stop doing this whether hes outside or inside. I firmly believe that they are habits as opposed to specific problems with each area of concern.
Now his case is not just that simple. When he gets sick with a cold, he will cough all night long without any breaks. He has coughed for 48 hours straight before without any pause whatsoever. He has ended up in hospital as he is so weak from coughing and has become exhausted. They have given him oral steroids only to slow the cough down a little.
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
udaya kumar
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February 2 2007
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Glad that you gave me some detail. The word "habit" does not adequately describe Tourettsm. The mental state is more closer to "impulsive and compulsive". One thing noteworthy is what triggers the impulses. You can see that both these adjectives are abstract terms and more or less related to mind while the first one in medical terms related to neurology or nerve impulse.
And nerve impulse means, "the elecrical activity in the membrane of a "neuron that - by its rapid speed from one region to the next - is the means by which information is transmitted within the nervous system along the axons of the neutrons. The membrane of a resting nerve is charged (polarized) because of different concentrations of ions inside and outside the cell. When a nerve impulse is triggered a wave of depolarization spreads, and ions flow across the membrane(action Potential). Until the nerve has undergone repolarization, no further nerve impulse can pass (Bantam MD)".
Here action potential is the change in voltage that occurs across the membrane of a nerve or muscle cell when a nerve impulse is triggerred. It is due to the passage of charged particles across the membrane (depolarization) and is an observable manifestation of a passage of an impulse. (Here my earlier argument that impulse is an abstract term gets a physical than a metaphysical form just like the manifestation of the "air is in the blowing of the wind" so does "the manifestation of an impulse is in depolarisation". So we got the key i.e. depolarisation or in other words " a sudden surge of charged particles across the membrane of a nerve or muscle cell that accompanies a physicochemical change in the membrane and cancels out, or reverses, its resting potential to produce an actin potential. The passage of a nerve impulse is a rapid wave of depolarisation along the membrane of nerve fibre. Now, having said that If there is a method to measure the depolarisation, it could make a sea difference in diagnosis of the this malady medically speaking. The Question is what triggers this extraordinary deluge?
Now let me take up the spiritual or metaphysical aspect of it. When I was initiated to second degree Masters in Reikhi I experienced a very unusual problem. When I checked with my then Guru, I was told that some people do have the kind of problems and similar other problems during the initiation and practice and his grand master can help me in the matter. This was an incident which happened long long ago. And I had no knowledge of Tourettism or Tic then, which is not a very common problem in India. Then what did really happen to me. "It was a combination of an intense feeling that something is behind between my ears and the back of the neck (precisely with the hair on my back which seems to be irriating me) and a still more intense urge to ward it off with the hand". I was involuntarily doing this unusual action though at spaced at long intervals throughout the day. I started pondering on how it could have happened. The only thing which occured to me then was that the initiator (as per traditional practice of India) had touched and kept his hand on myhead blessing me while initating which might have caused some kind of electrical charge or cosmic energy conduct to my head or body which in turn must have activated one of the energy centres leading to such an unusual experience. I did not go to the Grand Master to get it rectified. The eerie feeling which I had was that I was under the spell of the cosmic force and is not independent of that force. That was not acceptable for me and therefore I had to find a way and means to separate myself independent of that force. Nevertheless, I thought anything which can be triggered spiritually and activated can be stopped medically and anything which has been triggered or activated by medicine can be stopped or deactivated (or repolarized or depolarized) spiritually.
I decided to concentrate and confine myself with medical energy which is more mundane i.e. homeopathy and alternate medicine and not with the cosmic energy in which I have no control whatsoever over. I stopped practicing Reikhi then and there consciously, and continued with my experiments and research with homeo medicine to get out of this unusual behaviour, as I call it then. It must have taken me two to three weeks and I ate innumerable medicines which are closer to the symptom or which I felt could cure it. The problem is I do not remember the medicines I took, but I cured it for sure and spiritually speaking closed the chakra or the energy centre successfully. I never had that problem thereafter.
Any further experience can be given, may be, by Reikhi grand masters or people like say R. Venugopalan author of books like Kundalini, Soul Searchers, who practices Shakthi pada etc. who is a Reikhi Master, trained in the field of Indian and Tibetan Tantra, Pendulam Therapy, Crystal and Auric healing, Pyramid Energisation etc. According to him apart from the Shadatharas(eight major chakras or energy centres), there are 547 chakras named each one separately and activation of each could have different and varied experiences. He also names separately 180 Nadis or Nerves and 16 Granthis(arteries)disclosing the importance of each of these and explained in detail. According to him Talana Chakra controls the vocal chord of a person. Garuda Chakra provides strength to the locomotive working of the scapula. Galabandha Chakra provides necessary energy for the working of the throat muscles. Tarakeshwara chakra provides the strength in the shoulders. Soma Chakra controls Neurological problems and stomach related problems. So, one of these chakras may be the prime mover in this malady.
His e-mail address is venrudra@yahoo.com and address as given by him in his book is R. Venugopalan, 427, Dhruva Apartments, 4 I.P. Extension, Delhi 110 092 (India). He may be able to throw more light into the spiritual aspect of this problem and suggest a cure.
Coming back to the medicine and homoeo, I shall be on the look out for the medicine and dial my memory often to remember the exact medicine, meanwhile I have an inkling that the medicine probably was Phosphorus 30 or 1M one or two doses only as I do not take or prescribe any medicine more than three doses normally. My belief is reinforced by the fact that Phsophorus is the only medicine which antidots the bad effects of electricity and at the same time it works within the muscle fibres, perhaps the best medicine for muscular dystrophe. You would recall that mind, nerve, muscular activity, neurology, electricity, fibres are all the path through which we crossed during the analysis and they are the real clues to problem and where does they get their reservoir of energy it is from the chakras or the energy centres or may be pituitary or penial or other glands which we may construe as being equivalent to those metaphysical chakras. I shall revert as and when my memory connects.
And last but the least, the characters like Ben Johnson, his satires, his Volpone and the characters he created in volpone are clues towards the selection of mental symptoms in homeo, at least the common symptoms. If I remember right "parrots,lapdogs, husbands perish all" is what he described the restoration period life. But his equating husband with lapdogs reflects his own mental set up also. (no offence meditated here). with best wishes.
Doctors treat God cures. Keep faith.
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
udaya kumar
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February 2 2007
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Two more areas in which we need to concentrate are again electricity and air. Because I found that socks(nylone I presume), hat (again synthetic I presume) and hair (closer to amber) all three are capable of producing static current and capable of getting attracted to static currents. The rubbing of the hat produced static curre and reacted with the electrical impulses in the body is one explanation and further disturbed the pattern of synchronised control capacity of air in the throat which could have gone confused to give continuous signals of for cough is yet another explanation. Remember my post "wonder that is air" in which I have mentioned the positions of air in the body and one i.e. udana is in the throat (which is a principle vital air) and Kurma in eyelids. In vocal tic it is the throat which is more concerned along with layrnex while in winking the eye it is Kurma. When there is an imbalance in the air udana (its excess function) can cause tics and its moving away from there can cause paralysis of the throat and its partial displacement can cause other disturbances. In the case of Kurma, its excess function can cause Tics of the eyelids and its complete disappearance from its position can cause Ptosis. These aspects have to be further experiented in the labs to convert my, this logical theory, into science.
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
udaya kumar
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February 2 2007
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I am pasting a copy of a query I have made to Venugopal. Hope he will have some good answers and solutions:
Dear Shri Venugopalji,
I have been one of the earliest buyer of all
your books and has been an ardent admirer of its
contents. I wanted to contact you long long ago, but
then, there was a word from the soul not yet, not yet.
Here I am writing to you as we were discussing in
homoeopathic forum how to cure a cute little child of
seven years from tic disorder or tourettism. I am just
pasting you a copy of what we were analysing. Would
it be possible for you to give your wise opinion in
this matter to the advantage of the small child. I
hope I am not disturbing you by this intrusion. Your
address and e-mail are taken from your book kundalini.
with warm regards. udaya kumar
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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Jay 15
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February 2 2007
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Udaya, I am blown away wih the amount of effort you are putting into this thread and ultimetely my sons well being. I am just now noticing your last three posts and am certain I will have questions for you shortly.
Thank you so kindly,
Jay
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
udaya kumar
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February 3 2007
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Dear Jay,
I have received a reply from R. Venugopal, it seems he has become a swamiji(saintly person) now with an assumed name. Anyhow I am reproducing his reply.
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Sat, 3 Feb 2007 03:17:22 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: your books
Dear Devatman Uday Kumar ji
Namaskar
The symptoms you have described is definately of great concern
what I can recommend
Lycopodium Clavatum 30 (3 times 6 drops)- 2 weeks
Phosphorus 30 (2 times 6 drops ) - 2 weeks
again repeat Lycopodium Clavatum 30 (2 times 6 drops)- 2 weeks
This should help the child recover from the problem soon. You can send us the picture of the child with the details at http://www.gridhealers.com
With the Blessing of the Universal Light
Rudrabhayananda
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It seems that the medicines prescribed will give him the desired benefit and result. Because Lycopodium is prmarily a medicine to balance the Air element in the body, to send the air to their respective places and make them function naturally. The other medicine as I said is for the muscle and nerve part of it. The Child's cure would be a breakthrough for many who are suffering under this malady. I would wish you luck and the child speedy recovery. The photo may be required for a distant Reikhi. It is upto you to send him the photograph. with best wishes.
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
Jay 15
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February 6 2007
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Udaya, I have read through your posts again tonight. I must admit most of what you speak is foreign to me. The post where you speak of static currents interfering with one own impulses is very interesting and I can ony hope this could be the cause of my sons complications.
Can you explain the following prescription to me please.
Lycopodium Clavatum 30 (3 times 6 drops)- 2 weeks
I understand this as a total of three doses spread over two two weeks. Is this to mean 2 drops for each dose, totalling 6 drops or 6 drops per dose? Should I administer the drops into a 500ml bottle of water, stir gently and take a sip?
Please let me know. Once again I am so greateful for your help to this point.
Jay
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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udaya kumar
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February 6 2007
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Dear Jay,
The sum total of what I said is that displaced ferocity of air and intereference of electricity may be the cause for the malady. The medicines prescribed to you are 1. Phosphorus -for all side effects caused by electricity 2. Lycopodium Clavatum 30 - which is considered the best medicine in homeo for calming down gas.
30 is the potency or the power of the medicine. When we say 30 we mean 30C.
The dosage : The German medicines in the liquid form available in the market comes with droppers attached to it, buy it. What you need to do is : put 6 drops of it in 1/8th of a glass of water and give it to the child for drinking he need not sip it/no harm in sipping either. Do it three times morning afternoon night. Keep a gap of 4 to 6 hours between each medicine.
This process has to be continued for two weeks. after that do with phosphorus 30 the same way for two weeks and then again come back to lycopodium 30 and administer him this again for 2 weeks. Total 6 weeks of medication.
The bio profile of R. Venugopalan (Rudrabayananda is at http.//en.wikipedia.or/wiki/Rudrabhayananda. He is a well qualified homeopath as indicated there, his formal academic training in India resulted in a Doctorate in Siddha Medicines, Master's Degree in Economics, Post Graduation in Homoeopathy from British School of Homoeopathy, B.A.S.M(AM), Degree in Naturopathy, P.G.D.M.A., P.G.D.S.M, P.G.D.C.P and many others.
Surprisingly his prescription coincided with my analysis. So please go ahead and all the blessings to the child for an early recovery. With best wishes.
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Re: Chronic Tic Disorder
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vyushti
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February 19 2008
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hello Jay,
did u try the above for resolving the tics that your child had been suffering from, could you please update on its outcome or any other thing that might have worked to resolve the tics.
best wishes and healing and light for your child.
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Re:Chronic Tic Disorder
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Jay 15
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July 16 2010
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Garcot,
No he does not hiccup often. Now almost four years after this video, his tics have changed. His shoulder shrugging is nowhere near as pronounced as it was. Its more like his whole body cant sit still and he is fidgeting all the time. The coughing does not happen anymore either. It is his eyes that are rolling and hard blinking that are the main concern. Last year he was grunting all the time and this has calmed down too but comes back from time to time for a couple of days.
I have never had him allergy tested but have been thinking lately of getting this done. I dont believe that pollens are contributing as this happens all year round. I thought maybe a sensitivity in the house but we have moved last year and installed a very high end air filtration system and still no changes.
I don't deworm him lately and I m not sure really how to do this. I bought this item called a Terminator Zapper and its a frequency machine that kills almost all parasites instantly and Ive had this on him before but again no changes. I also had him on bentonite clay couple of years back. Again no changes noted. Ive never seen worms and at age 11 he wouldnt let me check.
I have suspected stress as the cause as when hes getting sick or is really tired or emotional his tics worsen. I say this but last winter my wife and I went away for a week and my son was eating horrible food while at grandparents and his tics got so much worse from this. It took me weeks to get him to calm down somewhat.
His diet is decent but not perfect. I give him very good mineral supplement, vitamin supplement, omega oil, and an alkalizing bicarbonate salt supplement that works really well.
There were two days a couple of months back that his tics dissapeared 99%. I for the life of me couldnt figure out why as nothing had really changed other than he had startede the alkalizing salts a couple of weeks before. It went back to normal after two days. Many times in his life things show promise and then seemingly stop working on him.
Please tell me about the Cina 200c?
Also my younger son at age 7 is now starting to exhibit symptoms of this malady. When he plays video games he will constantly shrug his left shoulder.
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Re:Chronic Tic Disorder
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Jay 15
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July 16 2010
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Udaya, with your last post you have mentioned some remedies. Im not sure what to do as Im 4 days into Lycopodium. Please advise a regimen for him. Also Garcot has suggested remedies as well and so Im really not sure which to do. Please advise. Thanks.
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Re:Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
udaya kumar
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July 16 2010
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Dear Jay,
You have given him everything except Lycopodium and Phosphorus. I wish you had given them, for he would have been largely benefitted by now. What is of paramount importance is to realise and mark my words not to search for God outside in the Universe. It is a long long distant walk. Look for him inside. Similarly do not look for the cause outside, Look for the cause inside. Human body has the capacity to adjust and adapt to the changes in outiside world and that is what we call healthy state of living. Searching for the word allergy and the causes for that allergy in the outiside world is the reason for loss of four precious years. Look for the cause inside the body. Worms are only ouctomes or fall outs. Worm flourishes where there is a conducive atmosphere or setting for it to flourish. So worms are not the cause but the result. We can annihilate the results if there be, at the end, go for the cause.
How to look inside your body? The fundamental question is that. The symptoms that the body is emitting will tell you every second what is going inside the body. Watch them, observe them. You have said that the actions of your child tends to bring on in you also a tendency to tics. It means there is a predisposition in the body of the child from the parentage. So the treatment has to be pushed back to prenatal, post-natal settings.
The rotation and blinking of the eyes as I told you is as we call impulsive is caused due to disturbances in the gross element air. Have no doubts about that. The gross element air is the subtlest of the part inside your body next to Gross element Ether. This Air is not the air we breathe or the air that comes out as hiccups etc. It is subtler of the subtlest and carries and is cause for movement of everything inside and outside the body. This air carries the neutrons and neurons and neurotransmitters in forms named differently by the scientists. All movements of the body is possible only if air is present in the body. Air is the prime mover. Disturbances in air can cause, jerky, twitchy, winking, shivering, tremourlike, gyrating, choeric, tics like, rotating, and many other types of movements. Similarly its stoppage or blockage can cause, numbness, weakness, ataxia, paralysis and death to many other kinds of complications including all pains.
The rotating movement of the eyes tell us that the cause is within the Cerebellum. And possibly there was a trauma on birth, may or may not be. These have to be addressed with single dose of Arnica 1M fortnightly, Gelsemium,30, Aethusa 30.
The predisposition have to be addressed through Thuja 30 a few doses and then the damages caused thereof and iatrogenically by Natrum Mur 30. There is no escape there. The air movements will be regulated by Lycopodium 6C/30C/200C. The phosphorus 30 have to used to correct the Liver region, the assimilation, the chest, the muscles, the bones, and generally as a tonic. Sulphur and Psorinum may also be required.
Chamomilla, Arsenic and such other medicines will be used to pacyfy the stomach and restlessness. It may be used in one or two doses and not continuously. Just corrections.
So start from the beginning :
1. Nux Vomica 30 three doses for one day to clear up the system for all medicines you have given to him .
2. Arnica 1M one dose in 15 days.
3. Aethusa 30 three doses for one day.
4. Gelsemium 30 three doses for one day.
wait for improvements on the immediate acute layer.
Go for the pre-natal layer:
1. Thuja 30 three doses a day for three days.
2. Natrum Mur 30 three doses for three days.
wait for one or two days for the medicines to work.
3. Phosphorus 30 three doses a day for one week>
4. Simultaneously Lycopodium 30 three doses a day for three days.
report results. after each medicines. with best wishes.
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Re:Chronic Tic Disorder
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By:
Jay 15
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July 16 2010
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Wow, thank you for the detailed reply. I will start Nux today and then Arnica 1M after. Please calrify that I am to wait for fifteen days after the Arnica before switching to the Aethusa.
Thanks again,Jay
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